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Thursday, November 29, 2007

A Tale of Two Residents


So yesterday, we returned to the hospital for our other child's tonsillectomy and adenoidectomy procedure. We were more worried about this one because he is younger. To read about the positive and negative aspects of our first experiences, please read the Tonsillectomy tales 4-part series. Everything pretty much went well except for a ridiculous situation that occurred shortly after the surgery. My son (who is only two and a half) did not wake up from the anesthesia in a pleasant state. He was crying, screaming, arching his back, and squirming. Of course, the nurse on the floor didn't have the orders for pain meds from the nurse who was with him in the recovery room. This is one of the most annoying and common things that happens upon a transfer to a new floor and can so easily be corrected by implementing an efficient system. How about this idea? Don't transfer a patient to a new floor UNTIL the floor has all the orders for the medications. Sheesh.

Anyway, in the midst of this chaos, a meek lady with a white lab coat walks in and just starts asking medical questions. If anyone has read this blog before, you know that I cannot stand this. Medical professionals need to introduce themselves when they walk in a room. So my answer to her first question was "Who are you?" She apologized and said she was the pediatrics resident and asked a bunch of questions that didn't seem to us to have much bearing on the situation at hand. We asked about why my son was making unusual gasping breaths ever since he woke up and she said it was because he was crying. We said that he was making these breaths before he started crying. She then said it was probably hiccups. My wife, who is a registered nurse, said there was no way it was hiccups because she felt him pressed against her body and could tell. The resident then said that it was probably due to the anethesia. I could tell she was just giving that answer to say something but really had no clue what was going on. So I challenged her on it and said "Have you ever seen this after aneshesia before?" She paused and said, "Maybe once." That's nice. Then how can that be thrown out so cavalierly as the explanation?! If you don' know, say you don't know, and get someone who may know such as a senior resident or attending physician.

After 15-minutes of needless screaming, the nurse finally comes in with two syringes. One had Tylenol. Another had codeine. Within 5 minutes, my son's face started to swell and get red, as did both of his arms. We told the pediatrics resident about this and she said that it was probably because he was crying. Oh no, I thought, here we go again. So I had to point out that these were new findings since the codeine and that it may be an allergic reaction. She said it may be from the anesthesia. Sighhhh. I again explained that the symptoms just started as soon as he took codeine and that he never took codeine before. I then suggested the possibility of an anti-allergy medication and she said she agreed and would order Benadryl. I sat there amazed that here I am as a non-MD having to lead an MD to figure out what is happening here. So then the nurse walks in and I asked if she had the Benadryl. She said she saw the resident in the hall who just said they are not going to use Benadryl. Ummmmm. Do you think the resident ever informed me of this? Nope. I was of course aggravated at this but then the ENT resident walked in.

What a difference. His first comment to my wife and I was "You two know your child better than anyone and you are the first line of defense." OK, so instantly he is acknowledging we have some insights that need to be listened to since after all, we are his parents. Good. Then he demonstrated he was taking our complaints seriously, examined my son, acknowledged this could be an allergy to codeine, explained the pros and cons of Benadryl at that stage, and assured us this would be appropriately and closely monitored. He also said that he was in charge here and not the pediatrics resident since this was an ENT patient. He also said he would have his senior resident come down to take a look just to be sure. Two different residents, the same exact situation, and both handled in polar opposite ways. What a relief it was to have the ENT resident and I felt very comfortable at that point. We decided not to use the Benadryl in favor of observation. In reality, this story has nothing to do with Benadryl, but has everything to do with communication and coming across professionally. Eventually, the symptoms went away and the breathing problems stopped. Today, my little buddy was having fun scooting around the house on his fire truck. :)

10 Comments:

Blogger SeaSpray said...

Awww...I am glad he is doing so much better. It is so hard to see the little ones suffering. At least you knew and your wife knew to be proactive. It sounds like she could learn a few lessons from the other residents and hopefully she will.

It sounds like she wasn't concerned but was unable or unwilling to take the time to explain. Then again she made assumptions about the hiccups so maybe she's not the brightest bulb there.

Sound like her emotional IQ needs to be elevated. The ENT was great and sounds like he is a great doc. :)

9:26 PM  
Blogger heyjack70 said...

The question that needs to be answered is: "What year was each resident?" If the ENT doc was a 4th year and the peds was a 1st year, it's obvious why there was a difference.

It seems the pediatrics resident was completely inappropriate in her "assumptions", but it's rare that we hear the entire story in these online blogs.

11:41 AM  
Blogger MedFriendly said...

Good point. I do not know the answer to this question.

11:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Give the peds resident a break. They arent surgeons or anesthesiologists and dont know what the complications of post-op anesthesia are. Thats not their field.

I agree the peds resident handled the situation poorly, and should have said up front "I'm not sure whats going on here, you need to ask the anesthesiologist"

As for the ENT resident being "in charge" if thats the case then why get peds on board at all? I can tell you why. Its because ENT doesnt want to deal with the routine floor care of these patients. They want to do the surgery, and then dump the patient to peds for them to deal with. They arent interested in following patients once their surgery is done.

I bet you bottom dollar that the hospital has a policy requiring all peds patients get assigned to a peds resident post-op. The reason is because all the surgical services in the hospital (not just ENT) dont like managing floor patients and want to dump them off to somebody else.

Thats why the peds resident wasnt asking quesitons that were relevant at the time.

12:12 PM  
Anonymous RJS said...

It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that you had to lead the peds resident through some fairly basic cognitive steps. It sounds quite likely to me that the peds resident was probably a first year resident without the experience that's required to make a useful picture from the jumble of information that she learned in med school. (That's why she's a resident.)

Immersion in a clinical setting obviously helps with that. You have far more of that than she does -- I wouldn't write her off as stupid or hopeless yet. She's probably got a long way to go...

7:42 PM  
Blogger Chrysalis Angel said...

I'm glad your little guy is doing good now. It's a heart breaking thing to have to see a little one go through any kind of surgery.

6:55 AM  
Anonymous Eddie Hong said...

So did you realize that that Tylenol is not available in an intravenous formulation and that codeine doesn't act that fast.

If you did not, then I got to tell you that's a little worrisome and doesn't really help your credibility.

Anyway, glad you're kid is feeling better.

2:44 PM  
Blogger MedFriendly said...

Eddie: Please re-read my post. I said that the nurse came in with SYRINGES, not IVs. It was administered orally in a liquid form. Are you aware that Tylenol comes in a liquid form that can go through a syringe? Are you also aware that any substance you are allergic to can cause an immediate reaction? Turns out, one of the doctors thought the codein allergy was a very real possibility and adminsitered Benadryl.

6:37 PM  
Blogger mark's tails said...

medfriendly, glad your child is doing well but the reaction to codeine is probably a pseudoallergic rection. a true allergic reaction requires that the person has been exposed to the drug previously and then on a subsequent exposures has a reaction (mediated by the immune system). narcotics are a well known cause of non-specific histamine release which is more common with intravenous administration and is not immune mediated. Often times patients with this type of reaction can tolerate the same drug orally. despite my semantic argument it is still considered best to avoid those drugs in the future.
regards

12:30 PM  
Blogger Enrico said...

Anonymouse wrote: "I bet you bottom dollar that the hospital has a policy requiring all peds patients get assigned to a peds resident post-op. The reason is because all the surgical services in the hospital (not just ENT) dont like managing floor patients and want to dump them off to somebody else."

I agree 100% that the hospital had a policy requiring a peds resident. But the reason, while obvious, is not as you claim. You see, there's a funny thing about surgical residents in that they have to be in the operating room for significant periods of time. I know, weird, right? So silly hospital assigns a peds resident to manage the floor issues that come about while the surgical residents are scrubbed in playing "surgeon."

Any surgical resident would rather be in the OR than on the floor--that doesn't mean they don't care about their patient when the surgery is done. You're just perpetuating negative stereotypes, like I would be if I said that the reason the peds resident didn't know her stuff is because she's a peds resident and not smart enough for surgery.

See? Not true or fair, and it doesn't help make things better.

10:44 PM  

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